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dparm
04-27-2005, 10:56 AM
From CNET:

SEATTLE--In a move that could rankle privacy advocates, Microsoft said Monday that it is adding the PC equivalent of a flight data recorder to the next version of Windows, in an effort to better understand and prevent computer crashes.

The tool will build on the existing Watson error-reporting tool in Windows but will provide Microsoft with much deeper information, including what programs were running at the time of the error and even the contents of documents that were being created. Businesses will also choose whether they want their own technology managers to receive such data when an employee's machine crashes.

"Think of it as a flight data recorder, so that any time there's a problem, that 'black box' is there helping us work together and diagnose what's going on," Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said during a speech (http://news.com.com/Gates+offers+Longhorn+appetizer/2100-1016_3-5683686.html?tag=nl) at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (http://news.com.com/Show-and-tell+for+Microsoft/2009-1016_3-5683422.html?tag=nl) here.

For consumers, the choice of whether to send the data, and how much information to share, will be up to the individual. Though the details are being finalized, Windows lead product manager Greg Sullivan said users will be prompted with a message indicating the information to be sent and giving them an option to alter it, such as removing the contents of the e-mail they were writing when the machine crashed. Also, such reporting will also be anonymous.

"Our stance on this is that the user is in control," Sullivan said. "In the consumer environment, you will be presented with a dialog that clearly gives you the choice whether to share the information and then also provides exactly what the detail is so you can parse character by character what's being sent."

With businesses, however, IT managers typically set the policy. If they wanted total information, they could configure systems so that they'd know not only that a user was running Internet Explorer, for example, but also that he or she was watching a video from ESPN.com. Or, they might find out not only that a worker was running Instant Messenger but also that he or she was talking to a co-worker about getting a new job.

And consumers could have a tough time knowing just what information they were sending. Though they'll be able to see the contents of a document, they may not recognize the significance of the technical data--such as register settings--that's being sent.

Industry analyst Richard Doherty said he doubted Microsoft got enough feedback on how users might feel about such a feature. Even airplane pilots, Doherty said, have been able to keep from having their routine in-flight dialogue preserved. Microsoft's version of the black box, Doherty said "is begging for more real-world testing."

But Sullivan pointed out that businesses can already install third-party software to monitor workers' computer usage and some do.

He also said that in the present incarnation of Windows, companies have fairly fine control over what crash data they receive and what information gets sent on to Microsoft. With the new black box feature, he said, companies will simply have "more detailed management ability of the reporting infrastructure."




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With the information it does get, Microsoft could, in theory, identify a problem the first time it appears and push down a patch so that no other person encounters the error. Microsoft also shares some data (http://news.com.com/Microsoft+launches+new+developer+support+program/2100-1011_3-5265156.html?tag=nl) with other Windows developers to help them improve their products. However, Sullivan acknowledged that the day when an error only crops up one time and is fixed is still a long way off. "Will we ever get to once? No," Sullivan said. "That will remain the goal."

Microsoft also plans to step up the amount of information Windows users get when they send an error report to the company. With Windows XP, the software leviathan has begun sending information back to consumers, though the data tends to be fairly generic. Microsoft is trying to get to a point where it can send back specific details on the problem and how to fix it.

"We're going to take steps toward that," Sullivan said. "It remains to see exactly how far down that path we get."

jmcgon
04-27-2005, 11:12 AM
Ehhh I don't really see a problem with it. When you press that "Accept" button or sign a contract it's your own fault if the admin busts you for watching ESPN videos at work. :P

lnp
04-27-2005, 01:22 PM
Isn't the biggest reason for the computer crashes that they're running Windows in the first place?

dparm
04-27-2005, 02:04 PM
Perhaps, but personally I am a bit concerned about how much data I'm transmitting.

jonathaw
04-27-2005, 02:17 PM
I think this is ridiculous. Microsoft has so much market power and cash in the bank that they not only can afford, but have the responsibility to do thorough testing on their own. Microsoft shouldn't need help in doing their job. What the hell do we all pay them so much money for? (the vast, collective 'we', that is)

As far as privacy, even if people consent to giving MS their info, how many of them do it knowingly? Most people don't know a lot about computers, and it's stupid to think that everyone will read a little pop-up window before accepting. Anyone want to take bets that the default options are to send all information?

There are viruses that keep track of keystrokes in order to get passwords, credit card numbers, etc. This sounds strikingly similar and illegal. It pisses me off that they'd even suggest this, whether or not it happens.

Blah!

loeb1
04-27-2005, 02:56 PM
Don't forget, they also have Remote Assistance, a program that allows them to take complete control.

dparm
04-27-2005, 05:06 PM
Yes, but unlike Remote Desktop, the person on the other end has to accept the "invitation".

reuter
04-27-2005, 09:20 PM
I think this is a bad idea, becasue a good number of people will submit personal info that they didn't mean to. As long as it is easy to turn off, I won't have a problem with it myself, but the novice computer user may get screwed.

dparm
04-27-2005, 09:40 PM
That gave me an idea, Joel. Perhaps someone could write software to block out your address/phone #/e-mail address and any other info you choose.

abudhu
04-27-2005, 11:06 PM
Um, so whats wrong with this now:

For consumers, the choice of whether to send the data, and how much information to share, will be up to the individual.

You have the choice to have it do it or not, just Check NO, or leave it blank and you'll be golden. While an interesting idea, the fact of the matter is Microsoft would do SO little in the ways of helping the consumer. I am sure they just want to know what type of hardware is being run and what software. Besides that, I am sure Software companies would jump on this feature to exploit pirated verisons of there software and crack down on it. :(

Meh...It'll get shot down sooner or later. Or else someone will come up with a workaround.

loeb1
05-06-2005, 04:53 PM
But the issue is that you have to *chose* to not send anything. By default, the Redmond evil giant steals your life and soul.... I mean... they read your registration...

abudhu
05-06-2005, 06:27 PM
But the issue is that you have to *chose* to not send anything. By default, the Redmond evil giant steals your life and soul.... I mean... they read your registration...

But isn't that like EVERY program you ever install? At the end of the install it ask you to register or not. So I'm afraid I am not seeing your point :( You always have to choose to register or not. But seriously, is it that hard to click no? Meh. Only time will tell.